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As a hunter, I am often criticized for claiming that I am all for the fair and humane treatment of animals. I canât stand it when you hear stories of animal abuse of the news such as dog fighting or poachers maiming animals for the sheer fun of it, and then letting them die in horrible ways. I believe people who torture animals should face stiff and severe criminal penalties. Me, on the other hand, treat my gundog better than my wife (almost) and have never needlessly hurt an animal. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to convince others that hunters can be animal lovers too?
Just to clarify, I am strictly an Upland bird hunter (pheasent, quail etc.), no big game or deer...
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Most people don't understand why people eat wild game.They don't understand that hunters are taking care of animal control(overpopulation).if we humans don't ,then the diseases will come.Unfortunately animals are being run out of the woods/forest due to human population.I would rather eat a deer then find out it died a painful ,torturous death(poachers,hit by a car,etc.)Besides wild game taste good.
I too agree with you about the stiff penalties for animal abusers.there is a difference between hunting with the rules and doing your own thing.That is wrong.Licensed hunters are only allowed so many and sex of deer a year,for the aid of population control.wild animals can do alot of damage to a persons property and self.We are not watching Bambi,this is real life.
Most people don't understand why people eat wild game.They don't understand that hunters are taking care of animal control(overpopulation).if we humans don't ,then the diseases will come.Unfortunately animals are being run out of the woods/forest due to human population.I would rather eat a deer then find out it died a painful ,torturous death(poachers,hit by a car,etc.)Besides wild game taste good.
I too agree with you about the stiff penalties for animal abusers.there is a difference between hunting with the rules and doing your own thing.That is wrong.Licensed hunters are only allowed so many and sex of deer a year,for the aid of population control.wild animals can do alot of damage to a persons property and self.We are not watching Bambi,this is real life.
sightin in a 223 at 25 yards?
Been taking my 8 year old to range to prepare for youth deer hunt, shot a few boxes of cheapo ammo that grouped excellent it was 55 grain fmj. Than onto winchester ballistic 55 g silver tip, horrible grouping, going tommorow with federal tru 64 grain. Gun is a single shot little youth handi pardner rifle, if he is grouping dead on at 25 yards, what kind of group can I expect at 50 or 75 yds? Extrememly high or low? Ranges are full this time of year and the 25 is the one lane usually without a huge wait. I know i shouldnt of waited so long but didnt think hed get into it this much.
Would love to set up a Target and find out, live in the city and like I said, 25 is the only open lane.
Way I figure, I'm asking a question about trajectory, my oldest had killed 3 deer at a young age with the 223, none running more than 20 yards, all shots were within 30 yds, for anyone who says its foolish that's an argument that can go on forever,I'd take a well placed 223 round for deer over a big caliber of someone who is recoil shy anyday
I'm in Missouri, 223 is legal here for deer, any centerfire rifle is legal
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I have good news and bad news. Good news - the 223/5.56 is very flat shooting - if he is hitting dead center at 25, you can expect it to be a tad high at 50yds and a tad low at 75. What you need to do - is go online to any ammo or reloading web site and print out a ballistics table for this caliber. It will let you type in the type of ammo and distance - and it will tell you where the bullet will hit closer and farther than your target is set up. Example - if the table says sighted in at 100 yards is zero, and at 25 yards the bullet is +4 inches - then if you aim dead on at 25 yards and get the bullet to hit 4 inches high, your rifle is close to sighted in at 100 yards. Certainly close enought to go hunting.
Bad news. The wife and I have taken over a dozen deer with this caliber in Alaska - and - bullet placement is important. With an 8 year old - the problem is you will be busy helping to keep him safe - so - you need to have a second hunter handy just in case. The 'just in case' is if the first round is less than perfect - someone needs to finish the job before the deer runs away injured and the deer hunt becomes horrible, painful, unpleasant attempt to track a deer for miles and miles. Last thing you want is some teary eyed kid walking the woods - and then a Game Warden knocking on your door in a day or two asking your to explain why a dead deer ended up in some guys back yard, and, your car was reported as the only vehicle in the area that day. Where I live - leaving a shot animal to run is called 'Want and Waste' and it carries a $15,000 to $35,000 fine, one year in jail, and they confiscate your gun, clothing, hunting gear, and the truck or car you used to commit the crime with. This is not the way you want a father and son trip to finish.
When I took my 8 year old out for his first buck, he got a nice button buck while I kept watch over him - and his mom kept her 308 handy just in case. You really want that third person handy, just in case. Because once he hits it - it is his deer - regardless of who finished the job.
I have good news and bad news. Good news - the 223/5.56 is very flat shooting - if he is hitting dead center at 25, you can expect it to be a tad high at 50yds and a tad low at 75. What you need to do - is go online to any ammo or reloading web site and print out a ballistics table for this caliber. It will let you type in the type of ammo and distance - and it will tell you where the bullet will hit closer and farther than your target is set up. Example - if the table says sighted in at 100 yards is zero, and at 25 yards the bullet is +4 inches - then if you aim dead on at 25 yards and get the bullet to hit 4 inches high, your rifle is close to sighted in at 100 yards. Certainly close enought to go hunting.
Bad news. The wife and I have taken over a dozen deer with this caliber in Alaska - and - bullet placement is important. With an 8 year old - the problem is you will be busy helping to keep him safe - so - you need to have a second hunter handy just in case. The 'just in case' is if the first round is less than perfect - someone needs to finish the job before the deer runs away injured and the deer hunt becomes horrible, painful, unpleasant attempt to track a deer for miles and miles. Last thing you want is some teary eyed kid walking the woods - and then a Game Warden knocking on your door in a day or two asking your to explain why a dead deer ended up in some guys back yard, and, your car was reported as the only vehicle in the area that day. Where I live - leaving a shot animal to run is called 'Want and Waste' and it carries a $15,000 to $35,000 fine, one year in jail, and they confiscate your gun, clothing, hunting gear, and the truck or car you used to commit the crime with. This is not the way you want a father and son trip to finish.
When I took my 8 year old out for his first buck, he got a nice button buck while I kept watch over him - and his mom kept her 308 handy just in case. You really want that third person handy, just in case. Because once he hits it - it is his deer - regardless of who finished the job.
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