You claim government backed health insurance is not a takeover?

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Please explain this away: http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2009072410

1. the feds can mandate what is in your private insurance package

The bills in both houses require that Americans purchase insurance through "qualified" plans offered by health-care "exchanges" that would be set up in each state. The rub is that the plans can't really compete based on what they offer. The reason: The federal government will impose a minimum list of benefits that each plan is required to offer.



2. no more discounts for clean living

Under the Senate plan, insurers would be barred from charging any more than twice as much for one patient vs. any other patient with the same coverage. So if a 20-year-old who costs just $800 a year to insure is forced to pay $2,500, a 62-year-old who costs $7,500 would pay no more than $5,000.

Second, the bills would ban insurers from charging differing premiums based on the health of their customers. Again, that's understandable for folks with diabetes or cancer. But the bills would bar rewarding people who pursue a healthy lifestyle of exercise or a cholesterol-conscious diet. That's hardly a formula for lower costs. It's as if car insurers had to charge the same rates to safe drivers as to chronic speeders with a history of accidents.

3.the bill eliminates HSA accounts

The bills seriously endanger the trend toward consumer-driven care in general. By requiring minimum packages, they would prevent patients from choosing stripped-down plans that cover only major medical expenses. "The government could set extremely low deductibles that would eliminate HSAs," says John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis, a free-market research group. "And they could do it after the bills are passed."

4. you can keep your existing health plan, it's a lie folks.

The employees who got their coverage before the law goes into effect can keep their plans, but once again, there's a catch. If the plan changes in any way -- by altering co-pays, deductibles, or even switching coverage for this or that drug -- the employee must drop out and shop through the exchange. Since these plans generally change their policies every year, it's likely that millions of employees will lose their plans in 12 months.

5. free to keep your doctors...

The Senate bill requires that Americans buying through the exchanges -- and as we've seen, that will soon be most Americans -- must get their care through something called "medical home." Medical home is similar to an HMO. You're assigned a primary care doctor, and the doctor controls your access to specialists. The primary care physicians will decide which services, like MRIs and other diagnostic scans, are best for you, and will decide when you really need to see a cardiologists or orthopedists.

CNN is my source, not FOX or FAUX or whatever you like to call it. Let the contortions begin!

This is a 1000 page bill, so no, I have not read it. But noone voting on it or desparate to sign it has read it either I dare say. How can you trust a 1000 pages of legalese to be in your best interest?

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If only people could relate what happened to our educational system after the govt installed the Dept of Education to the complete takeover of health care, many eyes would be opened to the dangers.

And to think... the Dept of Education only meddled in the private markets' affairs on a smaller scale, and look at what it did.

Obamacare will wreck our economy without a doubt.

What if Republicans created their own version of OWS and began breaking windows...?

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...and rioting in front of welfare offices, teacher's unions, government union worker halls, etc., to draw attention to what the democrats have been doing to America for a century?

Democrat President Wilson (1913-1918) said, âYou are not here merely to make a living. You are here to enable the world to live more amply, with greater vision, and with a finer spirit of hope and achievement. You are here to enrich the world. You impoverish yourself if you forget this errand.â He may have been the first democrat to appreciate the potential use of multiculturalism (âIf itâs white or American, trash it!â) in deconstructing the Constitution, saying, âNo nation is fit to sit in judgment upon any other nation.â Obama put it this way: âEvery nation is exceptional in its own way.â

Democrat President Roosevelt âlet it all hang outâ in his speech before Congress on January 11, 1944:
âWe have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights...â [which included]:
-The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation
-The right of every family to a decent home
-The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health
-The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.

LBJâs Great Society became the largest redistribution of wealth program in our history. Obama is trying to âoutperformâ LBJ.

Because of the Internet, talk radio and Fox News (all non-existent a generation ago!) today we know that democrats have been gradually changing America into a European style welfare state.
-2/4/10 Gallup poll: 61% of liberals have a positive view of socialism.
-6/2/11 Gallup poll: 71% of democrats favor re-distributing wealth.
-Now they have national health care, the foundation of all welfare states.

Who are the winners in this âchangeâ? It looks like the politicians who are in bed with the unions:

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php⦠Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012:
-Of the top twenty political contributors between 1989 and 2012 twelve are unions; they give less than 5% to Republicans; only six of those top twenty are corporations who gave about 40% to democrats (Goldman Sachs gave 56% of its cash to democrats).
-The NEA (âteachersâ union) gave $43,613,263: 71% went to democrats, 5% to Republicans.
-The AFT (âteachersâ union) gave $34,698,466: 86% went to democrats, 0% to Republicans.
-The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees gave $61,610,080: 73% went to democrats, 0% to Republicans.

10/21/10 Wall Street Journal: The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is now the biggest outside spender of the 2010 elections. It gave 0% to Republicans between 1989 and 2012.

And what do the unions get in âpay backâ?

8/13/10 USA Today: The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade. Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

7/8/11 U. S. News Report (usnews.com): The actual number of private sector jobs decreased since 2008. Government jobs increased.

-6/8/12 Investors Business Daily: âPrivate-sector jobs are still down by 4.6 million, or 4%, from January 2008, when overall employment peaked. Meanwhile government jobs are down just 407,000, or 1.8%.â

3/31/10, postalemployeenetwork.com: âPostmaster Potter has made headway in reducing work hours and the costs of benefits and pensions, but the average postal employee still makes $83,000 in salary and benefits a year, placing postal workers among the highest-paid government employees.â

6/11/12 Cato Institute (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/obama-vs-: ...teacher employment has exploded; the public school workforce has grown 11 times faster than student enrollment over the last 40 years; on a per pupil basis, the inflation-adjusted average cost of a K-12 education has gone from about $55,000 to about $150,000.â

8/15/12 USA Today/Gannet:
-21,000+ retired federal workers receive lifetime government pensions of $100,000+.
-Economist Veronique de Rugy (Mercatus Center): Average federal pensions, $32,824; state and local government pensions, $24,373; military, $22,492; ExxonMobilExxon Corporation (one of the best remaining private pensions), $18,250.
-Pension payments cost $70 billion last year, plus $13 billion for retiree health care. Taxpayers face a future $2 trillion unfunded liability to cover those programs...

And, as though thatâs not enough for you to show Obama the door:

-Google search Obama saying, âUnder my plan, energy prices would necessarily skyrocket.â (9/08).
-6/8/11 U. S. News: âTwo new EPA pollution regulations will slam the coal industry so hard that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost, and electric rates will skyrocket 11% to over 23%...â

Democrats can run, but you canât hide.

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The Obama cheer squad, AKA mainstream press, claim that they already did. TEA party protests were painted as violent and racist, despite not one single arrest and no litter. I guess that we conservatives need to learn to defecate on police cars if we want some media love.

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