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Other than the obvious difference in length, what is the difference between a car frame and a truck frame? And why do they "ride" differently?
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A few things I would also add to what some have mentioned previously....
BOF "Body on Frame"... Just imagine the whole body, seats, dashboard, benches, doors/roof, all just being pulled upwards, and placed on a frame which hs the mechanicals...shocks, engine, tires, etc.
Unibody, it's a complete skeleton like most cars... currently there's only one passenger car which is "Body on Frame" that is the Ford Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, Town Car. They are build on a frame, which is why they are popular with taxi fleets, police depts...you can throw one on a curb, and not think twice about it...you can't do that with an Impala or Magnum. So if your in a situation where you must HIT a vehicle, don't pick this, pick a Toyota or Kia.
But overall like anything else, they both have their advantages, and disadvantages. The truck is much more durable, specifically if the frame is open "C" channel, or fully boxed. A good example if the Ford F-150, it's totally boxed. Now the new Tundra, chose to go with an open "C" channel, which isn't really recommended for serious work, and as it is, it only got 4 stars in the governments crash testing days ago.
Also, the tighter and solid the frame, the quieter and much more solid the shocks work. Less shake/flex in the body, just a much more durable and quieter product...which is why the F-150 leads in quietness and handling.
Now as comparison, take a Honda Ridgeline which is car based unibody, which supposedly Honda's news release tried alot of spin saying it's not a car platform, but I've disected the vehicle, and yes...it's an Oddysey with a few more structural members. What happens is, to get the vehicle to be a bit more rugged, the Unibody construction requires much more reinforcement...in turn, causing what otherwise would be a platform of a car that weights around 3000lbs, increase a good 1500lbs more and still, it's no where near as capable. Case in point, the towing/hauling capacity is almost carlike, reports of shock failures are pretty high, etc.
Also, Body on Frame construction is cheaper to produce overall. Ford is making about $10-15K profit on each F-150, while the Ridgeline is not meeting sales expectations, requiring rebates and it's cheapest model is around $5-6K more than a regular BOF truck, not allowing Honda to post much of a profit to where they have been thinking of possibly discontinuing the vehicle in 2-3 years.
I'm going to give you a link, which compares the F-150 with many of the competitors and the video is pretty interesting, in small 2 minute video scenes, which describe the benefits of it's frame, how it compares to others...everything down to showing you what the frame is, what it looks like, the bolts used, etc. It's pretty interesting learn.
Hope that helps ;-)
A few things I would also add to what some have mentioned previously....
BOF "Body on Frame"... Just imagine the whole body, seats, dashboard, benches, doors/roof, all just being pulled upwards, and placed on a frame which hs the mechanicals...shocks, engine, tires, etc.
Unibody, it's a complete skeleton like most cars... currently there's only one passenger car which is "Body on Frame" that is the Ford Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, Town Car. They are build on a frame, which is why they are popular with taxi fleets, police depts...you can throw one on a curb, and not think twice about it...you can't do that with an Impala or Magnum. So if your in a situation where you must HIT a vehicle, don't pick this, pick a Toyota or Kia.
But overall like anything else, they both have their advantages, and disadvantages. The truck is much more durable, specifically if the frame is open "C" channel, or fully boxed. A good example if the Ford F-150, it's totally boxed. Now the new Tundra, chose to go with an open "C" channel, which isn't really recommended for serious work, and as it is, it only got 4 stars in the governments crash testing days ago.
Also, the tighter and solid the frame, the quieter and much more solid the shocks work. Less shake/flex in the body, just a much more durable and quieter product...which is why the F-150 leads in quietness and handling.
Now as comparison, take a Honda Ridgeline which is car based unibody, which supposedly Honda's news release tried alot of spin saying it's not a car platform, but I've disected the vehicle, and yes...it's an Oddysey with a few more structural members. What happens is, to get the vehicle to be a bit more rugged, the Unibody construction requires much more reinforcement...in turn, causing what otherwise would be a platform of a car that weights around 3000lbs, increase a good 1500lbs more and still, it's no where near as capable. Case in point, the towing/hauling capacity is almost carlike, reports of shock failures are pretty high, etc.
Also, Body on Frame construction is cheaper to produce overall. Ford is making about $10-15K profit on each F-150, while the Ridgeline is not meeting sales expectations, requiring rebates and it's cheapest model is around $5-6K more than a regular BOF truck, not allowing Honda to post much of a profit to where they have been thinking of possibly discontinuing the vehicle in 2-3 years.
I'm going to give you a link, which compares the F-150 with many of the competitors and the video is pretty interesting, in small 2 minute video scenes, which describe the benefits of it's frame, how it compares to others...everything down to showing you what the frame is, what it looks like, the bolts used, etc. It's pretty interesting learn.
Hope that helps ;-)
Honda Accord or Toyota Camry?
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Looking for a nice family car under $15,000, so I'm looking at a late ('06 or newer) model used Camry or Accord 4 cylinder. What you get and why? Is one safer? More reliable? Less expensive to repair?
Answer
Well you have rounded the choice down to two worthy adversaries. Both cars are very well made but I would have to side with Honda on this dilemma you are in for the simple matter that Honda is better. Honda was awarded #5 Best in Overall Quality by JD Power. Let Me just list the Pros and Cons
2006 Honda Accord:
Pros:
- 4-cylinder engine was the new K-series
- An Excellent 5-speed automatic transmission offers acceleration with Great Fuel economy (Low RPM Cruising)
- 4-cylinder Honda Accord is the first production car in the world to meet California's Super Ultra Low Emission standards
- New rear end styling compated to 2003 Model
- LED taillights
- Daytime running lights
- Heated side mirrors for EX models
- Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA), also known as Electronic Stability Control
- New wheel designs
- New steering wheel cover
- Differently colored gauges
- Differently styled shift knob for automatic transmission models
- 4-cylinder engine's horsepower was increased to 166HP
- The 4-cylinder engines were now controlled with Drive-By-Wire (DBW), rather than a throttle cable, providing for smooth operation and enhanced throttle response.
- Excellent Interior Quality
- Comfortable Seating makes it perfect for long trips
Cons:
- Seats have a carpet like pattern
- Honda has been criticized for having road noise but consumers do say they do not notice
I really do not want to bother put the pros and cons for the Toyota Camry since the 2006 Camry and 2007 Camry are different and the list would take forever to type and because Toyota really copies much of what Honda does and I do not like them. They also have been sued for patent infringement and Toyota Executives told News Reporter that Toyota has buried much of their accident statistics so they would not have to pay the many people who have been injured from their vehicles but I will give you a list of cars near your price range:
Used Sedans (These cars will be Roomy and around 20,000):
2005-2008 Cadillac STS V6/V8 (RWD 0-60 5.9-7sec)(Best Buy: Cadillac is number 3 in overall quality and reliability and the STS has all leather interior with excellent exterior and interior design and most importantly american made)
2007 Infiniti G35 Sedan (RWD 0-60 5.8 sec)
2001-2007 Lexus LS 430 (RWD 0-60 5.9 sec)(#5 Best Used Car Buy by Automobile Magazine)
2005-2008 Chrysler 300C (RWD 0-60 7.5 sec) (#7 BestBuy for Used Cars)
2008 Honda Accord LX/LX Premium (FWD 0-60 7.7 sec)
2006 Lexus IS 250 ( RWD 0-60 7.9 sec)
2004-2008 Acura TL (FWD 0-60 6.5 sec) (Technically American because Acura is only in America and was intended for the US by Honda)
2005-2008 Dodge Charger SXT/R/T/SRT-8 (RWD 5.7-6.8 sec)
2000-2005 Lexus IS 300 (RWD 0-60 7.8 sec)
2003-2008 Mercury Grand Marquis (RWD 0-60 8.7 sec) (#2 Most Reliable Car in the United States to this date and has side crash testing at speed of 70 mph instead of 30)
1998-2007 Ford Crown Victoria (RWD 0-60 8.9 sec)
2004-2006 Audi A6 (RWD 0-60 6.5 sec)
2002-2006 Jaguar X Type (RWD 0-60 7.4 sec)
2000-2005 Jaguar S Type (RWD 0-60 7.3 sec)
2003-2007 Cadillac CTS (RWD 0-60 6.8 sec) (Looks were controversial because of so many sharp angles buy is came out alright)
AND MANY MANY MORE!!! Need any help with finding one, feel free to im or email m
Well you have rounded the choice down to two worthy adversaries. Both cars are very well made but I would have to side with Honda on this dilemma you are in for the simple matter that Honda is better. Honda was awarded #5 Best in Overall Quality by JD Power. Let Me just list the Pros and Cons
2006 Honda Accord:
Pros:
- 4-cylinder engine was the new K-series
- An Excellent 5-speed automatic transmission offers acceleration with Great Fuel economy (Low RPM Cruising)
- 4-cylinder Honda Accord is the first production car in the world to meet California's Super Ultra Low Emission standards
- New rear end styling compated to 2003 Model
- LED taillights
- Daytime running lights
- Heated side mirrors for EX models
- Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA), also known as Electronic Stability Control
- New wheel designs
- New steering wheel cover
- Differently colored gauges
- Differently styled shift knob for automatic transmission models
- 4-cylinder engine's horsepower was increased to 166HP
- The 4-cylinder engines were now controlled with Drive-By-Wire (DBW), rather than a throttle cable, providing for smooth operation and enhanced throttle response.
- Excellent Interior Quality
- Comfortable Seating makes it perfect for long trips
Cons:
- Seats have a carpet like pattern
- Honda has been criticized for having road noise but consumers do say they do not notice
I really do not want to bother put the pros and cons for the Toyota Camry since the 2006 Camry and 2007 Camry are different and the list would take forever to type and because Toyota really copies much of what Honda does and I do not like them. They also have been sued for patent infringement and Toyota Executives told News Reporter that Toyota has buried much of their accident statistics so they would not have to pay the many people who have been injured from their vehicles but I will give you a list of cars near your price range:
Used Sedans (These cars will be Roomy and around 20,000):
2005-2008 Cadillac STS V6/V8 (RWD 0-60 5.9-7sec)(Best Buy: Cadillac is number 3 in overall quality and reliability and the STS has all leather interior with excellent exterior and interior design and most importantly american made)
2007 Infiniti G35 Sedan (RWD 0-60 5.8 sec)
2001-2007 Lexus LS 430 (RWD 0-60 5.9 sec)(#5 Best Used Car Buy by Automobile Magazine)
2005-2008 Chrysler 300C (RWD 0-60 7.5 sec) (#7 BestBuy for Used Cars)
2008 Honda Accord LX/LX Premium (FWD 0-60 7.7 sec)
2006 Lexus IS 250 ( RWD 0-60 7.9 sec)
2004-2008 Acura TL (FWD 0-60 6.5 sec) (Technically American because Acura is only in America and was intended for the US by Honda)
2005-2008 Dodge Charger SXT/R/T/SRT-8 (RWD 5.7-6.8 sec)
2000-2005 Lexus IS 300 (RWD 0-60 7.8 sec)
2003-2008 Mercury Grand Marquis (RWD 0-60 8.7 sec) (#2 Most Reliable Car in the United States to this date and has side crash testing at speed of 70 mph instead of 30)
1998-2007 Ford Crown Victoria (RWD 0-60 8.9 sec)
2004-2006 Audi A6 (RWD 0-60 6.5 sec)
2002-2006 Jaguar X Type (RWD 0-60 7.4 sec)
2000-2005 Jaguar S Type (RWD 0-60 7.3 sec)
2003-2007 Cadillac CTS (RWD 0-60 6.8 sec) (Looks were controversial because of so many sharp angles buy is came out alright)
AND MANY MANY MORE!!! Need any help with finding one, feel free to im or email m
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